Turn Your Story Into Impact: A Self-Publishing Journey with Founder of Book Launchers, Julie Broad

Have you ever felt that a story inside you could inspire and transform others?

In today’s episode of The EmPOWERed Half Hour, Becca welcomes Julie Broad, founder of Book Launchers and a self-publishing expert. Together, they discuss the powerful impact of self-publishing, navigating challenges, and how to leverage your unique story for personal growth and professional success. Julie’s journey of turning rejection into resilience is packed with insights on creating a book that doesn’t just sell but serves as a platform to expand your brand, empower others, and fulfill your purpose.

Turning Rejection into Resilience

Julie shares her powerful journey from experiencing rejection in traditional publishing to embracing self-publishing as a means of sharing her story. When traditional publishers turned her away, she channeled that setback into creating her own path. Through resilience, Julie not only published her work but founded Book Launchers, helping aspiring authors turn rejection into opportunity. Her journey is a testament to how setbacks can inspire transformative career paths and new ventures that align with purpose.

Building a Brand Through a Book

Julie explains how a book can become more than just words on a page—it’s a brand-building tool. By sharing her insights, she highlights how authors can leverage self-publishing to open doors, enhance credibility, and reach new audiences. She walks through practical ways authors can use their books as platforms to establish authority, connect with their audience, and fuel both personal and professional growth. This section is an invaluable guide for those aiming to amplify their impact through storytelling.

Curiosity as a Core Value

One of the most striking aspects of Julie’s approach is her commitment to leading with curiosity. She explains how curiosity drives her team at Book Launchers to stay open-minded, embrace challenges, and foster continuous learning. This core value not only enhances the work culture within her company but also informs the way they approach each project and author. For anyone looking to adopt curiosity as a guiding principle, Julie’s perspective offers a practical framework for growth and innovation.

The Power of Purpose-Driven Publishing

Julie emphasizes that successful self-publishing is not just about getting a book out there; it’s about aligning that book with a purpose that resonates with readers and the author’s personal mission. She discusses how purpose-driven books have a unique impact, going beyond sales to create meaningful connections with readers. For aspiring authors, this section reinforces the idea that authenticity and purpose can transform a book into a lasting legacy.

Practical Tips for First-Time Authors

Julie provides actionable steps for first-time authors, from the initial concept phase to the logistics of self-publishing. She shares accessible advice on budgeting, editing, and marketing strategies that can help aspiring writers achieve a professional finish without a traditional publisher. Her tips offer guidance to those navigating the self-publishing process, empowering them with knowledge to avoid common pitfalls and build confidence in sharing their stories.

Welcome to another episode of The Empowered Half-Hour. And I am so excited about today's guests. I know I say it a lot that I'm excited about today's guests, but today I bring you Julie broad. She is the founder of book launchers. And if you don't know, you need to know that that is where harnessing your inner CEO gave birth.

And I worked with Julie and her team, um, have sent some referrals her way. The whole production is just amazing. So I had to do that little plug because Julie, without you and your team, I know I've gotten emotional on you before. I don't know that I would have launched into this new part of my career.

So thank you for being a guest and thank you for the work that you do. Oh, thank you. Thank you for having me and thank you for being a fantastic person for us to work with. I always value it. It sounds funny, but I value the people. My team loves working with you and you were 1 of them. So,yeah, we love you.

Founding Book Launchers: Julie's Journey

Your team was the best. Um, all right, so let's get into some questions. Very curious. So you founded book launchers. You obviously have been doing this for quite a few years. I would be curious too. Like, do you even know how many books you guys have published at this point?

No, we have a running author count.

So we've worked with over 550 authors now. Um, but not everybody publishes a book and some people come to us, uh, with the book published and we market it. So, you know, we don't have a great running number, but it's in the hundreds. For sure. Yeah, that's awesome. And I can tell, I mean, my, my book looks absolutely amazing. But what's, uh, what's the backstory to book launchers? What encouraged you to start it and found it?

Yeah, it's, this is always a funny question because like when I was a little kid, I always thought I'd be a writer. Um, but then, you know, I had a grade 10 teacher that marked me hard and I thought, Oh, I'm a terrible writer.

I better not be a writer. And people told me writers didn't make money. So I went to business school, like the opposite of a creative. Yeah. But it was, it was kind of like over time. I eventually started investing in real estate. I read rich dad, poor dad, and I was like, I will buy some property. And I, you know, it's kind of a long journey, but I hit this point.

Where I started investing full time and I started a real estate training and education company. And for that, you know, I started a YouTube channel and I started a newsletter and I started to build this thing called a platform. And I got approached by an acquisitions editor at Wiley. And all of a sudden I was like this little girl that thought she was going to be a writer, just exploded inside of me and I was like, Oh my gosh, I can write a book. And, and, uh, you know, as, as life. Life has other intentions for you, I think, but I got this. I said, Oh yes, I've got this idea. And I told him and he was like, no, no, no, we don't want a general real estate investing book. And then I, then he said, but you know, we're interested in you.

Challenges and Successes in Self-Publishing

So here's an idea, go off, write a proposal, bring it back to me. And, so I spent three months working on this proposal, sent it back and forth with him, hired some people, and in the end they said, yeah, no, we don't think you have a strong enough platform to sell books. So they rejected me, right? And I was devastated because again, it wasn't just about a book for me.

It was like this little girl inside of me. Like I had this dream, all of a sudden I thought this dream could actually be real. And then they were, you know, completely crushing me saying my idea wasn't good. And then they said I wasn't good enough. Um, and I had friends that got book deals around the same time, so I had to contend with that, but like I said, life always has different intentions for you.

I, I eventually, and it took about six months, but I eventually kind of recovered. And said, you know what? No, you're wrong. Like that book idea I had is something that will help people and I'm going to go publish it. And I'll self publish it since you don't want to do it. And, uh, and then I'll, you know what?

I'll do it better than if you did it. Yeah. So I dove in and this was in 2011. So there wasn't that. That much on self publishing out in the marketplace. Uh, but I dove into everything I could find on marketing books and writing books and publishing books. And I did, I did it better than if Wiley had published my book.

I took it to number one in print books on Amazon in Canada. And, it was in the top 100 print books for geez, almost 200 days. And still to this day, it sometimes outsells my more recent books. So it does well. Awesome. Yeah. And for me, this, so it wasn't like, Oh, this is great. Now I'm going to launch book launchers.

The Importance of Quality and Marketing

But it opened my eyes to a few challenges. One is the challenges with traditional publishing. There's benefits, um, and there's great opportunities for some people in that space, but for a lot of people, self publishing was actually a better path and for me, it was. I made way more money. I got to publish the book that I really knew needed to be written, and clearly it did, because it still sells.

And, and I, I was able to kind of do whatever I wanted with that book, whereas when you get a traditional deal, you know, there's limitations on what you have rights to do and what you can use that material for. So for me, it opened my eyes to that and my businesses exploded. So I also saw this like, wow, this book, yeah, not only did I make a little money from the book, but my businesses are growing and little by little, I started to see a tremendous opportunity to help people self publish at the quality of a traditional publisher.

Um, because that was part of the secret to my success. That's the part that I want to emphasize for the listeners. So, um, you know, if you're listening to this and you're like, Oh, a little intrigued, maybe I do want to self publish a book or you've had that thought go. So I have a lot of, you know, corporate folks and entrepreneurs and everybody. I would say I have a lot of like personalities who want to produce something that would be reflective of a traditional publisher. And um, that's how I ended up finding you guys is that I found your YouTube channel, but I just wanted to pause you there because There is a way to self publish. Even your books behind you are like self published and succeed. Like, because there is a way to self publish and get the quality that you want.

So I just wanted to pause because I appreciate that you went there because I got to benefit from it.

Thank you. And it is, I'm glad you emphasize it. Cause that was really the, there were two, two pieces to the vision that I kept kind of, that I kept coming back to of like, I wish there was a company that would do it like a traditional publisher, but I still own everything.

I'm still the CEO. But the other side of this too is the marketing, because when I hired all the people, the editors, the book cover designers, none of them are thinking marketing, even the book cover person, you know, they're just thinking good design, they're not thinking about the category you're in, they're not looking at it, like, how is this book going to sell and who's the reader?

So I just kept thinking that marketing, that's why my book succeeded was because I was thinking about, well, honestly, I was thinking, I'm never going to sell a book, so let's try to figure out how we might sell one or two. And so I was thinking about marketing throughout the whole journey. And so that's why I started book launchers was because I saw this need.

For traditional level quality in self publishing with marketing integrated. And then also, you know, the other side of it too, is we're monthly. So it allows people who, because I, you know, when I was pricing it out, people were quoting me 30, 40, 000. And I was like, I don't want to put that kind of thing. Yeah, I don't want to put that out. So having a monthly, you know, it gives you more flexibility. It allows you to manage your cash flow. So yeah, there was, those were all the things, and that was another, So my two things were like the quality. Well, I would say three things that really led me to book launchers was the quality, the end to end process.

Because as a salesperson, I knew there would be a marketing piece and you guys were really the only company that I found that embraced the marketing and had like that as part of my process, you know? And, um, yeah, so quality marketing, and then there was something else, but I forgot, but anyway. The monthly membership probably.

Yeah, the monthly membership. That was it. And then I ended up staying with you guys. So I was only going to come on for. You know, the post marketing of Harness Your Inner CEO, but your team did such a great job. I continued just and stayed in the marketing phase for like 18 months after the book was released.

Yeah, that's part of our charm. We, we bring you into the family and you never want to leave. I don't want to go.

Future Vision and Trends in Publishing

So let's fast forward a little bit to today. Um, you know, what, where is, where's your vision for book launchers? Is it just to, you know, kind of continue on the same? Are you finding new trends in the market?

And we talked about this a little earlier, but I know people are always like what's going on in the book world, you know?

Yeah. I mean, there's, there's lots, it's actually hard to kind of hone in, but the two things that I'm really got my eye on you. It's more like the book is a tool to grow your brand and your business.

And so we help you produce this fantastic tool and we, we do help people turn their book into courses, online courses, but I'm really focusing now on the pieces of platform building and even speaking engagements and things like that. And so we're, we're adding people to the team and we're finding partners and we're got a couple other things cooking that I haven't quite disclosed yet to just really help people not just look at this as like, here's my book, but now what? And so we're really trying to support that next level. Once you have the book, let's help you use it as a tool to get where you want to go. Yeah, I like that a lot. Yeah. And I think it's really important because a lot of people get the book and then they don't, they don't utilize it to its full potential.

And I mean, I'm guilty of that too. I always joke that I'm like that shoemaker whose shoes aren't fixed. Like my books are often the last thing we think about when we're thinking about marketing. Uh, so I really have been trying to put my books at the center of more marketing efforts, but, um, but that's one piece, but AI is also a big, big thing and, and you can't ignore it.

Um, even though there's some challenges with it, it's something that I'm really, we, you know, I've got the team every Tuesday. We have AI Tuesday now. So we've got tips and tools. Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah. And we're, we're also building a few things. So we're building a piece of software that has AI underneath and, uh, and there's a few other things that we're doing with AI. We're not writing books with AI. But it's speeding up the process and on the marketing side, it's such a great tool. I could only imagine. You know, you said one thing that I thought was really interesting and I get asked all the time, like, You know, did I make my money back is a question that I get.

And I certainly did. Um, but I didn't do it through book sales. I S I had a successful launch. Um, my readership between ebooks and, you know, I do a lot of corporate gigs and then traditional selling, I think my readership is around 5, 000 for harness year under CEO, which is. Amazing. But you mentioned the piece, the speaking.

Now, not everybody wants to speak, but I am so happy to hear you say that you're adding in more resources there because that's where I made all my money back, you know, and I don't know if you just want to talk about it. That platform piece. Cause people are always like, well, how do I make my money back? I'm like, you speak or you train or you do something.

Yeah. And that's exactly it. It's kind of, you know, the book sales. It's rare. Like of my four books, the first book is the only one that was made, and it made, made it like, I don't know, 20 times over. Like it just sold. It's old and sold. That's old. Um, but. But in most of the books, the money comes from the platform building and then what you do with that platform.

And so, and for, for a lot of our authors, that speaking is the exact way. And sometimes they can make their entire investment back into speaking gigs. So, you know, that is a powerful way, but a lot of people haven't done enough of it to land speaking gigs that create those kinds of paybacks. And so that's where we're kind of looking at, because paid speaking gigs are, you're typically going to land something that's, you know, 5, 000 or more.

If somebody's seen you speak and they refer you or you have a killer speaker reel with and you solve a problem that they want in there, you know, for the people in their audience and a lot of our clients have a great, you know, story slash, you know, solution. But they don't have that referral or that speaker reel.

And so for us, it's kind of, okay, we got to help get them on some smaller stages so they can build up both of those pieces. And so that's some of the stuff that we're starting to work on. That's awesome. Cause it all does start somewhere, right? I mean. My first gigs were free. I mean, I'm like, Hey, can you, can I at least talk about the book?

I don't care. You know, like, yeah, come speak at this women's chapter, this thing. And then it just evolves from there. So that's really cool. Um, so another question I want to ask, what, uh, lessons are up for you right now? I mean, I learn lessons every day. I know it's like a big question. Which one do you want me to share?

Lessons Learned and Team Dynamics

But I always like to hear what people answer. Um, let's see. I, that's a good one. I'm trying to think because there are so, there are, there have been so many, I think. I think that's one thing in itself is that there's always a lesson. So we, you know, one of our philosophies, you know, that I've instilled in the company is, is to lead with curiosity.

So one of the challenges we've had lately has been glitches with Amazon and they've suspended a few accounts and we had actually one client have their account terminated and, and it's really easy to just get mad and like blame, blame Amazon or blame other, you know, Somebody doing something, although the frustrating part, actually, is that we didn't do anything wrong.

It would be a little easier if we had actually messed up. You'd be like, I can take accountability. Yes, and then we could know how to not have this happen again in the future. Um, but yeah, so with all of those things, I think. You know, it's a lesson, but also something I'm proud of is, we all went into it with curiosity, kind of like, okay, how did this happen? What can we do? And there wasn't any of that, like, oh, this is your fault, or this is their fault, or, you know, any of that kind of stuff. And I think that. That has helped me learn a lot of lessons with a little less pain because that curiosity piece really just allows lessons to flow without it being, you know, so emotional and like such a, you know, up and down kind of journey.

But yeah, I think that's the big thing for me is I keep relearning the value of curiosity, especially in challenging times.

Yeah, I like that. And I think that's a good message for the listeners too, because you know, in our everyday life, whether it's our home life or our work life or whatever.

I mean, there things go wrong all the time. Right? And if you approach it with that level of curiosity, Um, you might find also find some magic and things like I also, um, that's one of the philosophies I live by too, but I have approached both problems and new things with curiosity because new things bring on a lot of big scaries, and, um, you know, if you just stay curious, you get through the things and then you gain more tools and, you know, find new avenues and all that stuff. So I really like that. You said that. Yeah. Thank you. Curiosity is powerful. Uh huh. It really is. Um, all right. So now I want to go into, um, the, not the more positive side, but the more positive side, because I was just talking about lessons and challenges, but what's a current aha moment? Um, I mean, you're, you're really only as good as your team. And I say this even as anybody else, you know, you might think you don't have a team, um, but you do like, there's people that you are relying on, even if you don't have, you know, hired full time people around you. There's people that you're working with and, and yeah, you're only as good as your team, and, and it, it shows up where, you know, we're fairly small, you know, 15, there's 15 full time employees and we have a whole bunch of contractors, but, um, but you see it. If, if one person is just a little on the weak side, the whole team starts to feel it. And so it's really important to just constantly be monitoring.

Do you have, you know, is everybody doing okay? But also, you know, do you have the right people for the jobs that you need done? And, and that's just something it's, it's again, 1 of those things I keep learning, but. It's been an aha lately. Cause we've moved some people and we've, you know, we've kind of identified some places where this isn't going well.

And as soon as you make the change, it's like, Oh my God, like everything's going so good again. It's funny.

Um, I had something similar in my own company and kind of more in my wheelhouse cause I'm like the sales person, right. But we're a super small team. It's me, Lenay. We have my daughter and her boyfriend.

They are in college or just graduated. So they're doing a little paid internship this summer and we have an executive assistant. So we're a team of five. But the sales are down and I'm like, what the heck guys, you know, like in my head, I'm like, we gotta get this under control. And then I really realized that like, Oh, that kick, that's like my wheelhouse.

And I've been out of my role as sales because I've been writing and I still work full time. So it's like, I can only do so many things. So then I had to like, really do like some self evaluation and be like, well, if I want these results, I'm holding the team back. So then I could either, you know, complain about it or say, I don't have more time.

Or I, what I ended up doing in that sense was I've started training the team how to sell. But my point is that when they're, when something's not working, the faster you can address it, you get back to working. And I really liked that. That was kind of one of the points that you talked about. So big question, how can writing a book, how can writing a book empower somebody?

Empowerment Through Writing

Oh, my gosh. I mean, you know this better than anyone, but it's, every phase has different lessons and will give you confidence as you get through that phase. And so I think it's kind of like, I equate it to running a marathon because you've got to, you know, in the beginning, you got to just get out there and walk and it's like, and then in the middle is like, When everything comes in and it seems totally logical, all the reasons you should quit, um, you know, like they're really good reasons, you know, but at the same time, if you just push through and you get to the very end, you get the satisfaction of, of completion.

But the big difference with books and marathons is that after the book is out, now you're actually helping other people. Now you're having a massive impact on other people's lives versus a marathon. Well, you did it. Maybe your family is now proud and maybe inspired to do something, but it's not the same kind of lasting impact.

But I think as you explore your stories and your expertise and you get that down on paper, And then you ride that roller coaster of this is the greatest book in the world down to this is the worst thing. Like everybody's going to think this is dumb. And you finally, you finally realize it's somewhere in the middle.

Like you've been there before. Were you in my head? Yeah, it's very normal. It's the people who don't go through that roller coaster that I worry about.

Yeah. Um, and, and so that's how it's empowering because I think anytime you take yourself through an emotional roller coaster journey, but you see yourself through to the end.

And now you're confident that you can tackle something else big and probably even bigger than that. And, and, and that empowers you, but it also, I think, empowers and impacts everybody around you.

Yeah. I like that. I like both sides of that answer is like what it does to yourself because yeah, I mean, now that I've been able to successfully write a book, launch a book.

Survive all of it and then see, like, I still remember the very first time I got a LinkedIn message from someone I didn't know that read the book that said, your book changed my life. I quit my job. I got a new one. Like, I was just like, and my life's so much better and all these ways. I was just Oh my God.

Like my book didn't suck it's out there helping people, but it also, um, so I saw the impact start coming back and, and then for myself too, it just really boosted my, my, my confidence and my ability. I wouldn't, I do want to say that it boosted my confidence, but what I want to say is it boosted my confidence in being able to help people.

When you, when you, use your frameworks and like, you know, I worked with you guys on how the teaching is going to come out of my head, how it's going to land. And so when you do all the upfront work and it lands, right. You're like, holy shit. Like, not only did I write this, but now there's this tool out there that helps people.

So it's really cool what you guys do.

Yeah, and I love that you share that because I tell people this all the time. I always get, when people are thinking about working with us, they're always like, who's your most successful author? And, I always go to them. Well, first of all, success is, you know, relevant to each individual.

Um, I'm like, that's a very hard question. Second of all, we're never responsible for somebody's success. It's always coming back to the author. Um, you know, we facilitate, we open doors, but at the end of the day, if you don't step through the door or you don't shine when you step through that door, it doesn't matter what we do.

Um, but those same people who are so like, well, you know, what are you going to do for me? When the book comes out, they're always like, Oh, this stranger. They loved my book. They changed their life. And they're not telling me how much money they made. They're always telling me about how, like, this person's life was changed by my book. And so I think people underestimate how valuable that is for you, but also for the other people that are going to read your book.

Yeah.

So cool. So why are you passionate about this work? Well, we kind of just talked about it. Yesterday I did our client town hall and one of our clients just launched his book.

And he just, you know, in front of everybody, he just thanked me for making his dream come true and told him. And he's like, I didn't actually think this was ever possible. He goes, but we just did it. And so, you know, for me, it's those dreams coming true. Because I had the same thing, right? I didn't, you know, I was rejected.

It's just that, you know, when somebody rejects me, my reaction isn't to hide, it's to go like, Oh yeah, that's right. But I, that's not a normal reaction. That's, you know, I ended, I've, I've lived a very challenging, exciting life, but challenging because every time somebody tells me I can't do something, I am bound to determine I'm going to go do it.

Awesome.

Um, but yeah, that for me, it's, it's that. I know how powerful books are and I know how powerful they are for the author, but also for the lives that can be changed by them because my life was changed by a book. You know, at the beginning, I said, I read rich dad, poor dad, and it completely changed what I was doing in my life and I am here today because of that book.

And then because I wrote a book. And so writing a book is as powerful to a life as reading a book. And so, you know, I just got goosebumps on that. That's like a mic drop right there. Yeah, that's really cool. Um, well, you know, that brings me to like, uh, maybe a message you can give the listeners, like a little message of encouragement.

Encouragement for Aspiring Authors

If there's a listener, um, that is on the verge of writing a book, if it, if they're like me and like, you're like. I have been wanting to write a book since I was a kid. I've been journaling, doodling, and writing for ever since I can remember. And I never thought that I could actually do it until one day I did it.

And I know as I'm out there in the corporate world, talking to people, especially a lot of people who are on the backside of their career, they're like, Oh, I've always wanted to write a book on this or always wanted to write a book on that, and they just don't do it. What would you say to the person that says I've always wanted to do it, but just hasn't. Yeah, well first it's a phenomenal tool for career changes. So just putting that out there, but the book that's in your head It'll never have any impact. So it's not going to impact yourself and it's not going to impact anybody else So as long as that book is in your head, it's really not going to have any sort of impact so get it out of your head and onto a page and Then you'll start you'll start feeling the impact and then when you publish it, you'll have the impact

Absolutely.

And that brings me a little bit to like, we're starting to wind down, but maybe we can get into a tactical piece of what you guys do at book launchers, because I know I have a lot of like processes. people that listen to this podcast. And, um, you know, one of the things that you guys do at book launchers is you do the end to end process, which I think is really awesome because I came to you guys kind of like mid process cause I was finding resources as I went, but what I learned once I got to you guys is that you could have helped me write the.

Outline you could have, I could have had a writing coach the entire time. So why don't we talk a little bit about the beginning, like nurturing part of the process for anybody that might be on the fence about writing a book?

Yeah, for sure. So we do, we do love working. If you don't have an idea.

You're probably not in a good place to come to us because you'll spend more money than you need to just find your idea. But if you have an idea, we have a process to kind of turn that into a book and even just verify that it's a viable thing, given your goals, because, you know, most of the time it is.

But sometimes what you think your book's going to do doesn't match with the topic that you want to write about. Um, and so we have writers. We have writing coaches and we have a course. So there's three different ways that we can help you get the book written. It just depends on some people like the group atmosphere of a course because it gives them more accountability.

Like I have to show up and tell them I didn't do my writing and so they get the writing done. Other people, the coach is enough. Having that one on one accountability and support and somebody to bounce ideas off. So it's not so lonely. And then other people just want to talk it out or even just hand them their podcast episodes and get somebody else to write it.

And so there's really no excuse because you don't have to write it. I even, we've had clients that have voice noted it, transcribed it, and, you know, then the writer's gone through, or we've just, it's been good enough to edit it from there. So. There's lots of ways. The primary way people work with us for that is for writing coaches.

So they get a writing coach and the coach, you know, coaches them through, you know, what's the hook? What's the outline? And then what's a chapter look like? You know, this one needs more stories. This one needs less stories. And you kind of build the book together through that, through that process. That's awesome.

And so for listeners, if you have a book in your mind and you have that idea, I highly encourage you to reach out to book launchers. Julie's going to give all the information here in a minute, but I have to shamelessly plug them because you guys, you help dreams come true. And it's such a beautiful thing.

Thank you. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's why I get up, even if there's been a bad day, I'm like, I'm ready to do it again.

Yeah. I mean, I feel it. I'm like, my life has changed, so I'm grateful I found you. And yet, you know, you have a platform. You're unapologetic about it. I found you on YouTube. So like I found you just very organically, like any listener can create a platform and you never know who's going to tune in and find you.

Um, all right. So last question. What is a book that you're reading or recently read that has inspired you that you would like to share with the audience? Oh, um, there's a book that I've been using the story from over and over again. It's Price Pritchett. It's an older book. Um, what is it actually called?

I don't even know. He has a bunch of books, so I have one over here. I have one sitting over here, but it's not the one. Or is it? Nope, this isn't the one. So this is one of his other books, 16X. Okay. Um, but it's one of his earlier books, but I've been going back to it over and over and over again. And there's a story in the beginning about a fly.

I won't spoil it. You guys can go and read it, but, um, but I bought copies for everybody in one of my business groups. Cause I like it, and it's a short little read, so you can get through it in under an hour. Oh, that's awesome. And I love it. Yeah.

Yeah. That's so cool. Um, all right, well, we are on time. So 30 minutes always goes by so fast.

Thank you for coming on. But I would love for you to share with the listeners how to stay in touch with you.

Yeah. The easiest thing is to, and it'll help you get started writing your book too, is to just go to booklaunchers. com forward slash the number seven. Steps. So seven steps and you'll get a workbook to, you know, for the seven steps to start writing your book.

And that gets you my email address and my website and all the things. So that is awesome. Well, once again, Julie, thank you for coming on the show and thank you for all the work that you do.

Oh, thank you for having me. And thank you for just being you. You're awesome.